I truly am only going to say this once
First of all: according to the Random House unabridged dictionary (ipp):
val‧u‧a‧ble [val-yoo-uh-buhl]: of considerable use, service, or importance
OK, then: Courtesy of the lovely and talented tht: selected folks, in descending order (italics mine because I am not feeling well and am in an extra bitchy mood):
For the AL:
win shares (this means HOW MANY WINS YOUR EFFORTS AMOUNTED TO FOR YOUR TEAM. If there is anything more useful, serviceable or important a player can do than that, tell me what the fuck it is):
- jeter LEADS THE AMERICAN LEAGUE with 30
- mauer: 28
- manny: 26
- morneau: 25
- santana: 24
- haf: 24
- tiz-he-or-tizn't-he: 24
- dye: 24
- thome: 23
- arod: 22
- sizemore: 22
- thomas: 20 (22nd in AL)
rc (gross offensive contribution):
- jeter LEADS THE AMERICAN LEAGUE with 126
- haf: 124
- sizemore: 113
- thome: 112
- in-a-tizzy-the-poor-dear: 111
- dye: 111
- morneau: 110
- manny: 109
- arod: 103
- mauer: 98
- thomas: 87 (28th in AL)
rc/g (productivity rate - I'd argue less pertinent to this discussion, but still interesting to look at - who's making the most hay while the sun shines?):
- haf: 10.7 [!!]
- manny: 9.7
- thome: 9.5
- jeet: 9.3
- dye: 9.0
- mauer: 8.6
- morneau: 8.4
- tiz and vinegar: 8.2
- thomas: 7.8
- arod: 7.4
- sizemore: 7.4
For the NL:
win shares:
- beltran: 37
- albert: 35
- cabrera: 33
- soriano: 31
- berkman: 30
- wright: 30
- howard: 28
- reyes: 27
- n. johnson: 27
rc:
- cabrera: 132
- alberticus: 130
- berkman: 125
- soriano: 121
- howard: 119
- beltran: 119
- wright: 115
- reyes: 114
- n. johnson: 108
rc/g:
- albert: 11 (surprising, actually)
- bonds (!): 10.6
- berkman: 10.3
- cabrera: 10.3
- beltran: 9.4
- howard: 8.9
- n. johnson: 8.7
- wright: 8.6
- soriano: 7.8
- reyes: 7.4
Now don't get me wrong - of course I'd happily have had any of these people on my team this year if I were a GM. I am not saying any of these people suck. I know we've got a few weeks left. I'm just saying that since we are talking about the word MOST, after pondering the above I am forced to conclude, at this point anyway:
(1) Derek Jeter is the American League's most "valuable" player. Not because he is relatively the most valuable player on his team, or because he is the most valuable player on a team that is going to the playoffs, and though Lord knows I love me some cappy charm, for crying out LOUD not because he was "most emotionally crucial to keeping his team together during a tough season" (drinking game idea: drink every time Kruk says something completely useless. I'll be right here with the stomach pump and charcoal). I say he is the league's most valuable player because CRAZY ME, in my opinion WINNING GAMES is useful, serviceable and important, and:
- his combined offensive and defensive efforts have PRODUCED THE MOST WINS (equiv), and
- games are won by these things called RUNS being scored, which is called OFFENSE and is produced by hitters, and this year so far Jeter as a hitter has PRODUCED MORE OFFENSE THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE. Period.
(2) Come ON people. Look above. How is Ryan Howard even part of this conversation? I'm not dazzled blind by HRs (this chick digs a webgem or a wicked curve over the longball 9 times out of 10) and never will be 'til they start counting for more than one run. Morneau? I can only assume the novelty factor is involved in the fact anybody's even talking about him. Frank Thomas (though admittedly he's turned out to be quite the steal - there goes that snotty Billy Beane again, thinking he's so great)? Don't make me laugh.
(3) {ben stein} berkman? berkman? {/ben stein}
(4) Really, any of Cabrera, Albert or Beltran winning it would be not an outrage. My bias goes without saying, but I didn't think it was actually this close. Sort of surprised about Cabrera (and annoyed, as I think he is a jackass). sigh, w/e.
(5) David Ortiz needs to shut his cake hole. Whether his team somehow manages to drag its collective half-rotten (carc)ass to the post is irrelevant. Either way, he is not the most useful player in the American League, he is not the most serviceable player in the American League, and (ESPN's tireless worship notwithstanding) he is decidedly not the most important player in the American League. Forget Jeter - Ortiz is pretty much not even the most useful, serviceable and important person on his own damn TEAM. Forget Manny too - in all, SIX players in the AL have been responsible for more wins (equivalents) than Ortiz so far. You want to talk about just offense? Fine. Still FOUR people ahead of him in terms of pure productive tonnage. Whiny-ass poor sport. :r:
val‧u‧a‧ble [val-yoo-uh-buhl]: of considerable use, service, or importance
OK, then: Courtesy of the lovely and talented tht: selected folks, in descending order (italics mine because I am not feeling well and am in an extra bitchy mood):
For the AL:
win shares (this means HOW MANY WINS YOUR EFFORTS AMOUNTED TO FOR YOUR TEAM. If there is anything more useful, serviceable or important a player can do than that, tell me what the fuck it is):
- jeter LEADS THE AMERICAN LEAGUE with 30
- mauer: 28
- manny: 26
- morneau: 25
- santana: 24
- haf: 24
- tiz-he-or-tizn't-he: 24
- dye: 24
- thome: 23
- arod: 22
- sizemore: 22
- thomas: 20 (22nd in AL)
rc (gross offensive contribution):
- jeter LEADS THE AMERICAN LEAGUE with 126
- haf: 124
- sizemore: 113
- thome: 112
- in-a-tizzy-the-poor-dear: 111
- dye: 111
- morneau: 110
- manny: 109
- arod: 103
- mauer: 98
- thomas: 87 (28th in AL)
rc/g (productivity rate - I'd argue less pertinent to this discussion, but still interesting to look at - who's making the most hay while the sun shines?):
- haf: 10.7 [!!]
- manny: 9.7
- thome: 9.5
- jeet: 9.3
- dye: 9.0
- mauer: 8.6
- morneau: 8.4
- tiz and vinegar: 8.2
- thomas: 7.8
- arod: 7.4
- sizemore: 7.4
For the NL:
win shares:
- beltran: 37
- albert: 35
- cabrera: 33
- soriano: 31
- berkman: 30
- wright: 30
- howard: 28
- reyes: 27
- n. johnson: 27
rc:
- cabrera: 132
- alberticus: 130
- berkman: 125
- soriano: 121
- howard: 119
- beltran: 119
- wright: 115
- reyes: 114
- n. johnson: 108
rc/g:
- albert: 11 (surprising, actually)
- bonds (!): 10.6
- berkman: 10.3
- cabrera: 10.3
- beltran: 9.4
- howard: 8.9
- n. johnson: 8.7
- wright: 8.6
- soriano: 7.8
- reyes: 7.4
Now don't get me wrong - of course I'd happily have had any of these people on my team this year if I were a GM. I am not saying any of these people suck. I know we've got a few weeks left. I'm just saying that since we are talking about the word MOST, after pondering the above I am forced to conclude, at this point anyway:
(1) Derek Jeter is the American League's most "valuable" player. Not because he is relatively the most valuable player on his team, or because he is the most valuable player on a team that is going to the playoffs, and though Lord knows I love me some cappy charm, for crying out LOUD not because he was "most emotionally crucial to keeping his team together during a tough season" (drinking game idea: drink every time Kruk says something completely useless. I'll be right here with the stomach pump and charcoal). I say he is the league's most valuable player because CRAZY ME, in my opinion WINNING GAMES is useful, serviceable and important, and:
- his combined offensive and defensive efforts have PRODUCED THE MOST WINS (equiv), and
- games are won by these things called RUNS being scored, which is called OFFENSE and is produced by hitters, and this year so far Jeter as a hitter has PRODUCED MORE OFFENSE THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE. Period.
(2) Come ON people. Look above. How is Ryan Howard even part of this conversation? I'm not dazzled blind by HRs (this chick digs a webgem or a wicked curve over the longball 9 times out of 10) and never will be 'til they start counting for more than one run. Morneau? I can only assume the novelty factor is involved in the fact anybody's even talking about him. Frank Thomas (though admittedly he's turned out to be quite the steal - there goes that snotty Billy Beane again, thinking he's so great)? Don't make me laugh.
(3) {ben stein} berkman? berkman? {/ben stein}
(4) Really, any of Cabrera, Albert or Beltran winning it would be not an outrage. My bias goes without saying, but I didn't think it was actually this close. Sort of surprised about Cabrera (and annoyed, as I think he is a jackass). sigh, w/e.
(5) David Ortiz needs to shut his cake hole. Whether his team somehow manages to drag its collective half-rotten (carc)ass to the post is irrelevant. Either way, he is not the most useful player in the American League, he is not the most serviceable player in the American League, and (ESPN's tireless worship notwithstanding) he is decidedly not the most important player in the American League. Forget Jeter - Ortiz is pretty much not even the most useful, serviceable and important person on his own damn TEAM. Forget Manny too - in all, SIX players in the AL have been responsible for more wins (equivalents) than Ortiz so far. You want to talk about just offense? Fine. Still FOUR people ahead of him in terms of pure productive tonnage. Whiny-ass poor sport. :r:
posted by June | 11:17 PM
5 Comments:
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i got into an argument with someone (a yankee fan, no less!) today about morneau (hi, not even the most valuable on his own team, asshats) and dye as opposed to jeter and pointed out the win shares, rc, vorp, wpa, etc. and all the guy said was "those are all nice stats but they're pretty meaningless." *eyeroll* yeah, for morons like you and tizzle who think homers and rbi are the end-all stats of clutchworthi--i mean valuableness.
i've focused more on the AL stats naturally but it doesn't surprise me that howard does not live up to all the hype. just like with ortiz, homers don't mean everything. also not surprised alberto is right up there. i would like for him and juicy to repeat their award feats from last year, but sadly we know the voters are morons and who knows if anyone actually deserving of said awards will get them
YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT YOU AND YOUR MULE, COLON.
probably pasting this verbatim to my journal as you are wonderful and have i mentioned i love your diatribes so very much?
I know you will hate this but I have to go with Cabrera right now in the NL
Since I'm your standard Yankee hater, I have to disagree with Jeter right? Well I admit, I can't nearly as much as a I did a few weeks ago. But I argued Mauer at the all star break and I still will. Mauer's a catcher with a .926 OPS. (Jeter is .911, which is still very good, esp for a shortstop.) The plus I give Mauer is the fact not only is he a catcher, but one of the best defensive ones in the game. The combination Mauer gives the Twins is about as rare as can be these days, since most catchers are usually all offense or all defense.
Also if you're into experimental stats, check out the Hardball Times listing of pitching runs created... in which case Johan Santana would be the MVP. Apparently he's saved 149 runs this year! He won't get it because of the bias involved in a pitcher only pitching once every five days, but at least according to that, no one in baseball has affected his team's chances of victory as positively as Santana has for the Twins.
Just so that you don't think the that stat is unfairly slanted towards pitchers, Jeter still has a higher RC count than any other pitcher. Santana is just that good. Right now there's not a hurler in all of baseball who comes close.
As for the NL, I've been arguing against Howard for weeks among my peers, who think I'm an idiot because they're afraid of Howard "more than anyone else in a big spot." I keep saying he's not even the best hitting first baseman in the NL, but they dig the home run. (And they're not chicks) For my money it's Beltran (position) or Cabrera (team) in the NL. Couldn't really argue about Pujols if he won it though, since he's by far the best hitter in the league.
Since I'm your standard Yankee hater, I have to disagree with Jeter right?
of course but you do it politely which is why we keep you around :D
I wouldn't be scandalized if mauer got it. entirely reasonable. for ortiz to declare he should be considered, not so much. btw I love how he managed to insult his own teammates while on the tirade he retroactively decided he HADN'T delivered after all. two birds...
as for Santana's monstrous year, yeah i saw his prc et while trolling for evidence that my Juicy deserves to repeat as Cy Young winner, which he does. santana's #s are pretty much insane. 24 win shares, 5th in the AL, while playing every 5 days. 27 years old and not even into his pitching prime yet. it boggles the mind.
and beltran's gonna win it because the cardinals will be swiftly dispatched in October, assuming they even make it. :`(
i'm watching bbtn "debate" re mvp and i swear to God, it's the Battle of the Idiots. Brantley and (esp) Phillips are furiously dueling to see which can make a bigger ass of himself. I am no fan of Ravech, but have to appreciate how he just called Phillips out on his self-contradictions. Phillips wants Howard, and Morneau or, if the White Sox make it, Dye. YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG. >:(
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